Legislature(2021 - 2022)BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)

04/23/2021 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE

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          SB 17-ENERGY EFFICIENCY & POLICY: PUB. BLDGS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:09:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COSTELLO announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL NO. 17                                                               
"An  Act   relating  to  the   retrofitting  of   certain  public                                                               
facilities and community facilities;  relating to the performance                                                               
of energy  audits on schools  and community  facilities; relating                                                               
to  the duties  of the  Alaska  Energy Authority  and the  Alaska                                                               
Housing Finance  Corporation; creating a rapid  economic recovery                                                               
office   in  the   Alaska  Industrial   Development  and   Export                                                               
Authority; and  relating to  the state  energy policy  and energy                                                               
source reporting by state agencies."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[CSSB 17(CRA) was before the committee.]                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:10:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOM BEGICH, Alaska State Legislature, Juneau, Alaska,                                                                   
sponsor of SB 17 introduced the legislation paraphrasing the                                                                    
sponsor statement that read as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  State  of  Alaska  is responsible  for  over  $650                                                                    
     million in energy costs associated  with close to 5,000                                                                    
     state   owned  public   facilities.  With   significant                                                                    
     economic  headwinds visible  on  the horizon,  reducing                                                                    
     the state's  energy costs through sound  investments in                                                                    
     clean energy not only makes  good fiscal sense; it also                                                                    
     fulfills  a legislative  promise of  bringing renewable                                                                    
     energy to Alaskan communities.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     In 2010,  the Alaska  State Legislature passed  HB 306,                                                                    
     which established a State goal  of obtaining 50 percent                                                                    
     of  our State  energy  needs from  renewable energy  by                                                                    
     2025.  With some  of the  highest energy  costs in  the                                                                    
     nation, increasing  the share of  renewable electricity                                                                    
     and heat  will save the  State money and  help insulate                                                                    
     costs from  volatility in fuel pricing.  Also, in 2010,                                                                    
     the Alaska Sustainable  Energy Act set forth  a goal of                                                                    
     retrofitting 25%  of the state's buildings  over 10,000                                                                    
     square   feet   for    energy   efficiency   by   2020,                                                                    
     successfully achieving that goal in 2014.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Building  on the  successes of  the Alaska  Sustainable                                                                    
     Energy  Act,  SB  17   extends  the  energy  efficiency                                                                    
     retrofit  program  to  schools  and  community  centers                                                                    
     which  are eligible  for  the  Power Cost  Equalization                                                                    
     Program.  This creates  incentives to  reform retrofits                                                                    
     for  buildings which  receive State  support for  their                                                                    
     energy  bills,  which  will   save  the  State,  school                                                                    
     districts, and communities' money.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     However,   single   retrofit   projects  may   not   be                                                                    
     attractive   or   profitable    to   private   retrofit                                                                    
     enterprises. SB  17 also directs the  Alaska Industrial                                                                    
     Development and  Export Authority (AIDEA)  to establish                                                                    
     a rapid  economic recovery  office to  facilitate state                                                                    
     energy  policy and  encourage private  investment. This                                                                    
     new   office  will   review  energy   audits,  identify                                                                    
     retrofit  and   other  clean  energy  projects   to  be                                                                    
     bundled, marketing  those projects  to and  engage with                                                                    
     Department of  Transportation and Public  Facilities to                                                                    
     contract with  private investors. This will  ensure the                                                                    
     benefits of  the state's  energy policy,  clean energy,                                                                    
     and  energy retrofitting  will  proliferate into  rural                                                                    
     communities,  rather   than  just  reaching   the  goal                                                                    
     through one large Railbelt project.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     SB 17 will provide  rapid economic recovery by bringing                                                                    
     in  new investment  to support  an  Alaska based  clean                                                                    
     energy industry and reduce  the challenges and barriers                                                                    
     that may  prevent private  companies from  investing in                                                                    
     Alaska's infrastructure development.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:14:42 PM                                                                                                                    
LOKI TOBIN,  Staff, Senator Begich,  Juneau, Alaska,  presented a                                                               
PowerPoint as an  overview of SB 17. She explained  that the bill                                                               
amends  existing   statute  to   extend  the  authority   of  the                                                               
Department  of Transportation  and Public  Facilities (DOTPF)  to                                                               
use energy  performance contracting  to help reduce  energy costs                                                               
in  public  facilities.  The   legislation  will  leverage  state                                                               
capacity   and  expertise   to  assist   the  Alaska   Industrial                                                               
Development  and Export  Association (AIDEA)  in establishing  an                                                               
economic recovery  office that will  help to bundle,  market, and                                                               
support   small  projects   and   retrofits  that   may  not   be                                                               
economically viable  on their own.  Additionally, she said  SB 17                                                               
asserts an energy policy that will  move the state toward the use                                                               
of more renewable energy resources by 2026.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  TOBIN  reviewed the  history  of  energy efficient  policies                                                               
leading  to SB  17. She  related that  a goal  of House  Bill 306                                                               
[Chapter 82 SLA  2010] and the Alaska Sustainable  Energy Act (AS                                                               
44.42.067)  was  for  25 percent  of  public  facilities  [10,000                                                               
square feet and  larger] to be retrofitted to  meet energy goals.                                                               
The state achieved that goal in 2014.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:16:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  TOBIN pointed  to  the graphic  on slide  4  that offers  an                                                               
overview of energy service performance  contracting. Under SB 17,                                                               
the  Alaska  Energy Authority  (AEA)  or  DOT&PF will  perform  a                                                               
public facility  audit to identify  retrofit projects  that would                                                               
result in  energy cost savings.  The agency would hire  an energy                                                               
service  performance  company  (ESCO) to  perform  an  investment                                                               
grade  audit to  guarantee those  savings. The  agency then  will                                                               
identify a third party lender  to fund the retrofit projects. The                                                               
realized savings  will repay the  loan and potentially  result in                                                               
real time savings.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. TOBINS  reviewed the savings  realized from  energy retrofits                                                               
bulleted on  slide 5. She  related that energy retrofits  of more                                                               
than  75 public  facilities 10,000  square feet  and larger  have                                                               
resulted  in [more  than  $30  million] in  real  savings. SB  17                                                               
models  New  Mexico's  program that  authorized  the  New  Mexico                                                               
Finance Authority  to bundle small projects  to achieve economies                                                               
of scale  and take advantage of  low interest rates and  the tax-                                                               
exempt bond market for financing.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:17:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  TOBIN paraphrased  the following  sectional analysis  for SB
17, version B.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section  1. Establishes  legislative  intent to  outfit                                                                    
     public  buildings,  facilities,  and schools  with  new                                                                    
     energy upgrades  to ultimately reduce net  energy costs                                                                    
     by 2026.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2. Amends  AS 18.56  by adding  a section,  AS                                                                    
     18.56.865,  authorizing  the  Alaska  Energy  Authority                                                                    
     (AEA)  to conduct  energy audits  of public  facilities                                                                    
     upon request.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3.  Amends  AS  42.45.110   by  adding  a  new                                                                    
     subsection permitting owners  of public facilities that                                                                    
     use  power  cost equalization  to  allow  the AEA,  the                                                                    
     Alaska Housing  Finance Corporation, or  the Department                                                                    
     of  Transportation and  Public  Facilities (DOT&PF)  to                                                                    
     perform energy audits and retrofits.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section  4.  Amending  AS 44.42.065  by  adding  public                                                                    
     school buildings  to the  list of  community facilities                                                                    
     that the DOT&PF must perform  energy audits for every 7                                                                    
     years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5.   Amends  AS  44.42.06  by   including  the                                                                    
     definition   of  public   school  as   defined  by   AS                                                                    
     14.25.220,  but  not  including  a  charter  school  as                                                                    
     defined by AS 14.03.290.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section  6.  Amends  AS  44.42.065   by  adding  a  new                                                                    
     subsection  which authorizes  the DOT&PF  to coordinate                                                                    
     with the AEA to conduct energy audits by request.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:19:28 PM                                                                                                                    
     Section 7. Amends the date  under AS 44.42.067 to which                                                                    
     DOT&PF  shall  retrofit  at least  25%  of  all  public                                                                    
     facilities to no later than January 1, 2026.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section  8. Amends  AS 44.42.067  to include  education                                                                    
     facilities  as  well  as   government  and  public  use                                                                    
     facilities in  the definition of public  facilities and                                                                    
     reduces  the  square  foot  requirement  to  5,000  for                                                                    
     public use facilities.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section  9.  Adds a  new  section  under AS  44.83,  AS                                                                    
     44.83.088   which   directs   the   Alaska   Industrial                                                                    
     Development and Export  Authority (AIDEA) to coordinate                                                                    
     with  DOT&PF for  energy  audits  on public  facilities                                                                    
     that  use  power cost  equalization  as  defined by  AS                                                                    
     42.45.110(b). Directs  AEA to  perform these  audits at                                                                    
     least once  every seven years.  Allows the AEA  to work                                                                    
     with entities  that own  public facilities  to identify                                                                    
     sources of funding for audits or retrofits.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  10.  Amends  AS  44.88   by  inserting  a  new                                                                    
     section,  AS  44.88.179,  which directs  the  AIDEA  to                                                                    
     establish   a  rapid   economic   recovery  office   to                                                                    
     facilitate  state energy  policy and  encourage private                                                                    
     investment. Directs  this new office of  rapid economic                                                                    
     recovery  to  review  energy  audits,  identify  energy                                                                    
     retrofit  projects   to  be  bundled,   market  bundled                                                                    
     projects, and  engage with DOT&PF  to support  with the                                                                    
     contracting of private investors.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 11.  Adds a new  subsection under  AS 44.99.115                                                                    
     which establishes a state energy  policy target date of                                                                    
     2026 to have  at least 50 percent of  total energy used                                                                    
     by  the state  to come  from clean  energy sources  and                                                                    
     authorizes  the AEA  to request  periodic updates  from                                                                    
     state  facilities on  the  estimated  percent of  total                                                                    
     energy  used obtained  from  renewable energy  sources.                                                                    
     This   section  also   includes  the   previously  used                                                                    
     definitions   of    renewable   energy,    power   cost                                                                    
     equalization and  a state-funded public  facility which                                                                    
     includes  a  public  school  building  but  excludes  a                                                                    
     charter school.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:22:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COSTELLO  asked if the  facility must be involved  with the                                                               
Power Cost Equalization (PCE) program.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  answered no. The  bill qualifies  school district                                                               
buildings of 5,000 square feet  or larger and community or public                                                               
buildings that  are receiving  PCE and are  5,000 square  feet or                                                               
larger.  The existing  statute  identifies  facilities of  10,000                                                               
square feet or larger.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COSTELLO asked if there  was a reason for excluding charter                                                               
schools from participation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  explained that Legislative Legal  Services opined                                                               
that  charter  schools  are  excluded  because  the  constitution                                                               
prohibits the  use of public  funds for private  institutions and                                                               
charter  schools  may receive  money  from  private entities.  He                                                               
noted   that  the   same  law   excludes  private   schools  from                                                               
participation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COSTELLO asked  for confirmation  that the  public charter                                                               
schools in Anchorage would not qualify for the program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  restated his  understanding that  charter schools                                                               
are able to  receive private funds, which  disqualifies them from                                                               
participation in this program. He  noted that the requirement for                                                               
the building  to be 5,000 square  foot or larger would  also be a                                                               
limitation.  He offered  to  get a  memo  from Legislative  Legal                                                               
Services  confirming  the  foregoing  and to  look  for  creative                                                               
solutions to legally  include public charter schools  if any meet                                                               
the size limitation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COSTELLO moved to invited testimony.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:24:37 PM                                                                                                                    
AMBER  MCDONOUGH, Business  Development Manager  - Pacific  Zone,                                                               
Siemens   Industry,   Inc.,   Energy  Performance   &   Services,                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska,  paraphrased her  written testimony  that read                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     1. Greetings Madam Chair and  members of the committee,                                                                    
     for the record, my name  is Amber McDonough. I am based                                                                    
     in  Anchorage  and  am representing  Siemens  Industry,                                                                    
     Inc. I appreciate the opportunity to provide testimony                                                                     
     on SB-17 at the invitation of Senator Begich's Office.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     2. Background Info:                                                                                                        
          a. I'm  an Account Executive for  Siemens Industry                                                                    
          Inc.,  Energy &  Performance  Services; I've  been                                                                    
          with Siemens  22 years and supported  their energy                                                                    
          service  company  (ESCO)  business in  AK  for  13                                                                    
          years.  During  this   time  we  have  implemented                                                                    
          approx.   $40M   of  energy   saving   performance                                                                    
          contracts (ESPC) in Alaska.                                                                                           
          b.  An  ESCO  is   a  company  like  Siemens  that                                                                    
          develops and  implements ESPC work.  This includes                                                                    
          energy efficiency projects  as well as distributed                                                                    
          energy   solutions   including  renewable   power,                                                                    
          energy storage and microgrids.                                                                                        
          c. An  ESPC is at  its core a  procurement vehicle                                                                    
          to  fund  facility &  infrastructure  improvements                                                                    
          whose savings pay for  themselves over time; ESPCs                                                                    
          are designed to be  budget neutral where the costs                                                                    
          of  design, development,  construction, financing,                                                                    
          and  the  savings  guarantee  are  all  funded  by                                                                    
          energy & operational savings.                                                                                         
          d.  Guaranteed annual  savings are  confirmed each                                                                    
          year  using a  formal  Measurement &  Verification                                                                    
          (M&V)  Program  performed   by  the  ESCO.  Should                                                                    
          verified savings not be met  the ESCO will pay the                                                                    
          difference  to their  clients    payout rates  are                                                                    
          historically   less  than   1%   of  all   savings                                                                    
          guaranteed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:26:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COSTELLO asked if she had experience with this type of                                                                    
financing in any other state.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MCDONOUGH  replied  she   represents  Siemens'  business  in                                                               
Alaska, Hawaii,  and Guam and  she is  part of the  Pacific group                                                               
that handles  this type of  service on the coast  from California                                                               
to  Alaska. Siemens  Industry provides  ESCO services  nationally                                                               
and internationally.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCDONOUGH continued her testimony:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     3. I  reviewed and testified  on this bill  in February                                                                    
     and   was  happy   to  see   some  of   my  suggestions                                                                    
     incorporated,  especially regarding  the type  of high-                                                                    
     level  preliminary audits  (ASHRAE Level  1) prescribed                                                                    
     by   this  bill.   This  will   allow  energy   savings                                                                    
     opportunities to  be qualified and quantified  prior to                                                                    
     engaging  the  services of  an  ESCO  or incurring  the                                                                    
     costs  of  more   detailed  "investment  grade"  audits                                                                    
     needed to secure bank funding.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:28:21 PM                                                                                                                    
     4. I have three comments on the current version of SB-                                                                     
     17:                                                                                                                        
          a.  Sec 3  &  9  of the  bill  seem  to limit  the                                                                    
          beneficiaries of  this legislation to  schools and                                                                    
          facilities that  served by utilities  that receive                                                                    
          power cost equalization  (PCE) payments; Would the                                                                    
          committee  consider  opening  services up  to  all                                                                    
          communities  and  public buildings  regardless  of                                                                    
          their PCE status?                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCDONOUGH noted that Senator Begich clarified that the bill                                                                 
includes but does not require PCE participation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          b.  Sec. 7.  AS 44.42.067(a)  is amended  to read:                                                                    
          (a)  Not later  than January  1, 2026  [JANUARY 1,                                                                    
          2020], the department shall  work with other state                                                                    
          agencies to  retrofit at least  25 percent  of all                                                                    
          public   facilities,   starting  with   those   it                                                                    
          determines are the least  energy efficient, if the                                                                    
          department   determines   that  retrofitting   the                                                                    
          public facilities will result  in a net savings in                                                                    
          energy costs  to the state  within 15  years after                                                                    
          completion of the retrofits  for a public facility                                                                    
          and  if funding  for the  retrofits is  available.                                                                    
          This is a big "if".  Bundling loans or authorizing                                                                    
          a single bond sale  which all community facilities                                                                    
          could  tap  into  would  address  the  problem  of                                                                    
          trying  to  secure  private  investors  for  rural                                                                    
          communities  and rural  education attendance  area                                                                    
          (REAA) schools;  This has been a  challenge due to                                                                    
          their lack of tax  base and revenue sources needed                                                                    
          guarantee  their  ability  to repay  any  debt  on                                                                    
          their  own.  If  the  project  bundling  is  truly                                                                    
          intended  to create  one larger  agreement between                                                                    
          the State of AK and  the financier this would be a                                                                    
          big  help. For  example:  I recently  investigated                                                                    
          viability  of providing  a supplemental  financing                                                                    
          for  a  City  of  Galena  microgrid  project,  but                                                                    
          traditional  ESPC lenders  felt the  community was                                                                    
          too  small  and  the  lending risk  too  great  to                                                                    
          participate.                                                                                                          
          c. Sec.  10. AS 44.88  is amended by adding  a new                                                                    
          section  to read:  Sec. 44.88.179.  Rapid economic                                                                    
          recovery office. (a) The  authority shall create a                                                                    
          rapid economic  recovery office to  facilitate the                                                                    
          state energy  policy described in  AS 44.99.115(b)                                                                    
          and   encourage  private   investment  in   energy                                                                    
          upgrades at  state facilities and  public schools.                                                                    
          What's  the  best  way  to  do  that  efficiently?                                                                    
          Lately   the  biggest   challenge   seems  to   be                                                                    
          perceived  risk, even  with the  more common  ESPC                                                                    
          projects for state agencies.  For example during a                                                                    
          typical  ESPC  development   for  a  state  agency                                                                    
          process:                                                                                                              
               i.  The technical  viability  of Agency  ESPC                                                                    
               projects are jointly  developed by the DOT&PF                                                                    
               Energy  Office Project  Managers, the  Agency                                                                    
               Facility  Managers  and  the ESCO,  but  each                                                                    
               agency's  financial  Administrative  Services                                                                    
               Director   (ASD)  director   must  ultimately                                                                    
                                     rd                                                                                         
               agree to sign off on 3   party loan. [Current                                                                    
               State  ESPC financing  requires 4  signatures                                                                    
               in the  OMB approval process:  DOT&PF Project                                                                    
               Manager,  client  department  leader  (Agency                                                                    
               ASD or  Commissioner), Dept. of  Revenue, and                                                                    
               OMB Director]                                                                                                    
               ii.  The individual  Agency Finance  Director                                                                    
               must  be  educated  on  how  ESPC  works  and                                                                    
               accept  the  metrics  of the  ESCO's  savings                                                                    
               guarantee.  However,  beyond that  that  they                                                                    
               must also  weigh the risk  of whether  or not                                                                    
               the  State   will  continue  to   fund  their                                                                    
               facility's utility  budget at the  same level                                                                    
               for the term of the repayment period.                                                                            
               iii.  This has  sometimes been  a tough  sell                                                                    
               with the  Finance Director putting  the go/no                                                                    
               go  decision   responsibility  back   on  the                                                                    
               Facility  Manager who  may  then hesitate  to                                                                    
               approve the much needed upgrades.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2:31:30 PM                                                                                                               
               iv. One  solution would be  for this  bill to                                                                    
               provide  authorization   for  State   OMB  to                                                                    
               secure a large bond  (say $200M) or set aside                                                                    
               a  state-wide  appropriation budget  to  fund                                                                    
               these   future   improvements.   This   would                                                                    
               achieve structural efficiencies such as:                                                                         
                  1. Paper work reduction  fewer individual                                                                     
                    loan contracts  and legal fees  would be                                                                    
                    required for each  ESPC project; perhaps                                                                    
                    AIDEA/AEA could  manage smaller in-state                                                                    
                    intra-agency  or public  community loans                                                                    
                    from the larger pot of secured funding?                                                                     
                  2. Lower anticipated interest rates - one                                                                     
                                                    rd                                                                          
                    larger  transaction  with  a   3   party                                                                    
                    lender  would  result  in  better  value                                                                    
                    than   lots   of  smaller   loans   with                                                                    
                    entities of varying credit ratings.                                                                         
                  3. Lower perceived risk     this funding                                                                      
                    would  provide  a backstop  the  State's                                                                    
                    current  ESPC program  as  well as  give                                                                    
                    public    Finance   Directors,    School                                                                    
                    Superintendents,  and  Facility  Mangers                                                                    
                    in  these  smaller PCE  communities  the                                                                    
                    confidence they  need to tap  into these                                                                    
                    programs. This  would also  mitigate the                                                                    
                    individual    organization's   repayment                                                                    
                   risk for private lenders.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:32:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COSTELLO asked  the sponsor if he would like  to respond to                                                               
the testimony.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:33:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH answered  yes. He  said his  office talked  about                                                               
what to  do with risk. He  noted that a Governor's  bill that the                                                               
committee heard  last week has  a section about  building bonding                                                               
capacity.  Conversations on  how  to combine  the approaches  are                                                               
ongoing. With  regard to the  "if" clause  in bill Section  7, he                                                               
said  that  can be  fixed.  He  said  the previous  committee  of                                                               
referral raised  the question  about the  PCE requirement  and he                                                               
agrees that  the provision  needs clarification.  He said  he did                                                               
not believe  the bill  prohibits any  public or  community school                                                               
buildings  larger than  5,000 square  feet. The  intention is  to                                                               
include  PCE funded  community buildings  because  of the  direct                                                               
state-funding  connection. He  believes  that  Ms. McDonough  was                                                               
focused on ensuring  there are enough projects to  bundle to make                                                               
the financing cost effective. He  voiced support for that concept                                                               
and noted that  some of the concepts in SB  17 are addressed more                                                               
broadly in  the Governor's energy  independence bill.  He offered                                                               
to work with the committee to mesh the concepts.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COSTELLO thanked the sponsor and Ms. McDonough.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:35:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTOPHER  HODGIN,  Energy  Program Manager,  Statewide  Public                                                               
Facilities,   Division  of   Facility  Services,   Department  of                                                               
Transportation  & Public  Facilities,  Anchorage, Alaska,  stated                                                               
that he did  not have prepared testimony but he  was available to                                                               
answer questions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:35:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COSTELLO asked  if the administration had a  position on SB
17.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HODGIN  replied  the administration  supports  the  concepts                                                               
discussed in the legislation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:36:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR COSTELLO  opened public testimony  on SB 17;  finding none,                                                               
she closed public testimony.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COSTELLO  stated her  intention to hold  SB 17  for further                                                               
consideration.  She  asked the  sponsor  if  he had  any  closing                                                               
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH highlighted that  Sydney Lindeman provided written                                                               
testimony  and copies  were  in  the packets.  He  said he  looks                                                               
forward   to  working   with  the   committee   staff,  and   the                                                               
administration  to move  the concepts  forward in  a well-crafted                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  asked if  he  talked  to AEA  about  absorbing                                                               
positions without  a fiscal note on  the plan. He noted  that his                                                               
support for the bill might hinge on the response.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COSTELLO asked Mr. Thayer to respond to Senator Micciche.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:38:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CURTIS  THAYER,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Energy  Authority,                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska, advised that  AEA's fiscal note identified two                                                               
new  range  16 to  18  analysist  positions  to monitor  the  PCE                                                               
communities in addition  to the work in rural Alaska.  He said he                                                               
understands Senator Micciche's position; he  too does not want to                                                               
grow  government  but  in  this  instance,  AEA  would  need  the                                                               
positions to complete the audits called for in the bill.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  said he looks  at it  as an investment  that will                                                               
save money over  time like putting new windows in  a building. He                                                               
noted that the  state saved $40 million in the  last decade under                                                               
the existing  law for  buildings 10,000  square foot  or greater.                                                               
That is a quantifiable savings  and he anticipates similar levels                                                               
of  savings with  SB 17.  The ESCOs  guarantee that.  He said  he                                                               
looks  forward  to  working  with the  committee  staff  and  the                                                               
administration   to   identify   the   appropriate   process   to                                                               
potentially save tens  of millions of dollars more  than the cost                                                               
of the legislation in the long run.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[CHAIR COSTELLO held SB 17 in committee.]                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 26 CON Laws and Healthcare Utilization During COVID Report.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 Brief Synopsis of COVID and CON Report.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 - Federalist Society - CON Working Paper 4.23.21.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 Written Testimony - David Balat.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 Written Testimony - Bethany Marcum, Alaska Policy Forum.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 Written Testimony - Leslie Becker.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 - Written Testimony - Alicia Plemmons.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 Written Testimony - Francine Attrill, U.S. Renal Care.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 Written Testimony - CEO ASHNHA.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 Written Testimony - Wendy Schrag.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 26 Written Testimony - Naomi Lopez-Bauman.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 26
SB 17 v. B Presentation 4.23.21.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 17
SB 17 v. B Sectional Analysis 4.9.2021.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 17
SB 17 Written Testimony - Sydney Lienemann, ESCO.pdf SL&C 4/23/2021 1:30:00 PM
SB 17